This is a great effort by Colin. I'm impressed!!!!
I'm sure the website will evolve, but let me tell you---I think this is really a piece of work!!!!
Well that's very kind of you Rich. I really appreciate your comments. I need to add quite a lot of stuff and correct some formatting errors that show up on my Iphone, and will work on it.
How about we start a "thread" about "one-design" racing and what might be a good boat for EB - stable/comfortable enough to safely power through the windy season, fast enough to work in the light winds of summer, cheap, and easy to get in/out of the water. A fleet of one-designs would be a lot of fun for the racers. You won't be surprised to hear me suggest the Rhodes 19 Keelboat - about 1300 pounds, stable, cheap, and about the same Portsmouth number as Chi
In order to compete in the low handicap fleet--we need to be at DPN of 90 or lower. We should also stay with the offshore class. The keel-boat class would also be something to look at. We could still stay with the Rhodes and the Victory 21 if we changed the split in the racing rules. That split was there to keep like boats with like boats. It seems though---the offshore and keel-boat class should be looked at. If we do the split at 101 that might work. Both fleets would still be able to run any sail configuration which the boat was designed for. I'm going to contact the Portsmouth managers and ask if they will look at the Victory and set it's numbers a little lower, since I really don't think the Keel-boat and Offshore numbers were set up to mix the fleets. If we mix fleets, the keel-boat fleet should get a 5% knock.
Could you and Sue send me a few photos from your North West cruise?
Re fleet "A" Fleet "B" split - if you look at the active racers and their boats, is there an obvious split?
We will put together some NW shots.
At this time, the A fleet is not represented. When they do come out to play--there is a big difference. In Portsmouth, the two proposed fleets should have a split. Two reasons--one being, the higher DPN boats seem to like a more reaching course. The < 90 boats need the windward/leeward courses. In the long races, the time-on time method gets out of whack. The two fleets don't mix well. In the Portsmouth system, the Keel-boats, Centerboard and Offshore boats are in separate sections. That's probably because their numbers relate to their own kind and not meant to be mixed.
We have been talking around----What IF;
The J/24 fleet re-structured and went as a fleet, with an agreement to sail only and to have only the %100 and Main. Take the spinnaker and genoa off. Then sail with only a 500lb weight limit. With this configuration, the Portsmouth number (DPN)would be adjusted and the Race Committee could work that up (I already know what that would be). We see that most folks run with 2 or 3 people (instead of 5) and never run the 'chute' or genoa. This would help bring back the fleet to a more manageable system. All you J/24 folks out there---FEED-BACK REQUIRED!!!!
Sounds like a good plan to me
A one design fleet with Rhodes or the Victory 21 is a bit of a strech, the Rhodes are hard to find in this part of the country and the Victory, being an old design, well if you look at their owners web site , almost all are different configurations. Rich's idea on the J's is a good one, I had suggested that several years ago, a problem that we have had is that when one fleet breaks of to have their own start it kills the A Fleet, this happened around 1990 when Rich had 9 J 24's on the line and again few years ago when the Etchells had 4 out. Another problem with one design , that alot of people do not consider, is that the best sailor, prepared boat, newer sails ...Wins!! We have lost more than a few , when they realized that this was the case. A more realistic scenario would be to build the A and B fleet under the Portsmouth system. If you look at the history of the club over the last 25 years, every time we have gone to one design....numbers quickly go up , then drastically drop off ie...J 24's Etchells and MC Scows
When you really get down to it---The only boat that makes sense to Sue and I, is the J/22. I think we will save some cash and go for the 22.
The thing I see with the racing is--a greatly reduced quality of races and what you get for your money on the course. Trophies are the least of the concern! The Performance Fleet is non-existent and the Cruiser Fleet is very new, but also to their credit---very excited about racing. This exuberance in the Cruiser Fleet cannot go un-noticed or un answered. We need more interaction from the owners, more quality from the RC and better after-race social interaction. We must have all the races covered by a Race Committee Boat and all the race management equipment must be checked out and back in to assure everything is there so the committee can perform well. We also need to do lots of training in all aspects of sport sailing. The RC needs instruction. The racers need training in rules and how to make your boat go to it's numbers. I sent a note to the Portsmouth Committee and asked a bunch of questions on numbers, boat configuration and how to do local number adjustments. They will get back to me. We want to make the racing as competitive and fair as possible within the handicapping rules. We also do not want to hit the skippers who keep the grass cleaned off, invest in good equipment and have the proper crew.
This is a fine line between the real numbers of a boat and the rating of a skipper. If the numbers have been reported, then the DPN Committee will do the adjustments. They do however suggest local adjustments when they are necessary.
The J-22 looks like a great combination of trailerability, suitability for husband and wife teams (plus a gorilla if the wind blows hard) Only reservation is price
Which brings me to another only slightly - related point. Could I get a list of the boats currently owned by members?
It's hard to find a J/22 even within a couple of states away.
I think the new roster is being put together as memberships come in. There should then be a listing of each members boats. Jan may already have a good collection from last years membership. That's a nice touch---to list the boats we have in the club. I see Pat Byrnes has made an offer on a Hoby 33---fast rig!!
Can we publish instructions for Race Committee?
and the scoring system for the Spring and Fall Series?
e.g. the penalty for NOT racing?
For example, personally, I wasn't aware of the magnitude of the DNS penalty in the Spring and Fall series, and didn't know that we would be landed with 13 unwanted points for each race that we missed. No big deal, since we couldn't actually sail in those missed races, but for people who COULD have - are all the members aware of the incentive to get out on the water for all the races? and the scoring penalty for not doing so?
That's true---it's a big hit.
Normally, if we get 20 races in a series, 5 can be tossed. That means one could miss a race weekend and toss the numbers. The numbers are based on the number of entries in the series. If on a given weekend, there were 4 boats raced and the largest number of entries during the series was 9, then if you got a DNC, that would be 1 more than those who did sign up--that being a 10. The reason behind this---say you got a DNC on a race day where there were only 4 boats racing. Normally you would get a 5. But say you did the same DNC on a day when there were 9 racing--you would get a 10. There needs to be some discussion to address the DNS, DSQ and DNF for any weekend. Since the rule states--one more than number of starters or finishers. This is not the same as a 'Did Not Compete', which emplies number of sign-ups.
I. Is a date available for RC training? Adjacent to the water would work best; trying to tack it on to dinner at Big Food this spring with the general public in the dining room wasn't at all viable.
II. The lake level is not doing well and if irrigation releases continue beyond July 31, the Rock Canyon boat ramp may be hard to use. What is the contingency plan for the fall season?
III. Who is on the committee for the Sunrise and will it still be held in September?
I was wondering how I find out what is in the Ship's Store. Do we have club decals and penants? Thought decal on my car might stimulate some local questions.
Are there any places to rent ~25' sailboat in NM?
Write something about yourself. No need to be fancy, just an overview.